A-Z Claims - Lets help each other here / advise on tackling them
As we all know A-Z claims almost every single time go in favour of the customer, even with tracking information and proof of signature, which is very frustrating.
I sell on over 30 marketplaces all around the world and ship out thousands of items every single month and amazon marketplace is the only channel out of them all where I experience issues with claims.
On average I tend to get at least 1 claim per week on amazon, as for all my other marketplaces I may get 1 per year!
So there’s clearly a problem and unfortunately there are deceitful people out there who are abusing the system.
I actually found a forum yesterday when researching online that people are telling how to actually purchase items on amazon and get refunded and on top of that able to keep the item (you can find this very easily when googling).
I wanted to create this topic so us sellers can help each other share advice and what they may have done to win a-z cases, so we can at least try to cut down on these false claims.
I understand not all claims are false but from my experience when investigating them, I believe the majority are, given I don’t get this issue at all with my other marketplaces.
One thing we have put in place has worked brilliantly and has a 98% success rate. This isn’t appealing an a-z claim but when a customer messages saying "my item hasn’t been delivered’ and when you track the item and it shows as being delivered, I have sent them the below message.
" Hi (XXXXXX)
I hope you are well and thank you for your message.
I think you may have clicked on the wrong order and seller - please check as this does tend to happen from time to time.
Please also read carefully:
Your order was delivered at: (XXXXXX)
(couriers name) have also provided a GPS location of where exactly your postman was when s/he scanned the barcode immediately before delivery as proof.
Please see details here: (tracking link)
If after checking you still decide to maintain not receiving this item, it will have to be escalated and I would need to report this accusation of theft to (couriers name) against your postman + start an investigation about your street and address statistics, both with (couriers name) and Amazon given this item is recorded as delivered with GPS coordinates.
Please let me know & I look forward to hearing from you.
Many Thanks
Almost every single time this works and you never hear anything again from the customer or in some cases, they come back saying " oh yes, my mistake I have got it"
As mentioned this has had a huge help on preventing claims and works pretty much every time.
The problem I’m having is when they raise a-z claims without even contacting you and even worse is we have a-z claims the day the item has been delivered or day after and the expected delivery date isn’t for another week, which clearly shows they have received their item and can’t wait to raise a claim.
I probably win 1 in 15 a-z claims. I have just had 2 this week, both shipped on time, delivered on time and with a signature which I have sent all this information through and both claims were upheld in favour of the customer.
I was advised to write the following in the appeal
" “To Amazon,
The order [enter order number] was shipped on [enter date] with tracking number [enter tracking number] by carrier [enter carrier name] and the estimated delivery date was [enter estimated delivery date confirmed to the customer]. The shipment can be tracked using this link:[enter link to online tracking showing delivery and signature confirmation from customer]. According to the order’s tracking information, the package was delivered to the correct address [enter address] on [enter date] and signed by [enter signee]. Please re-investigate the claim since the order was delivered on/before the estimated delivery date.
Best regards,”
I was also asked to email the proof of signature to the customers which on 1 case I did but the other customer amazon wouldn’t allow me as the customer opted out of receiving messages.
Both claims were rejected.
in fact 1 other claim this week was attempted to be delivered on multiple occasions, the customer wasn’t in, we messaged them daily advising them to collect their item from their local post office and they never replied, they raised an a-z claim and it went in there favour and went against our performance metrics. Crazy hey!
So I’ve come up with a solution to tackle customers messaging saying there items haven’t been delivered when tracking shows otherwise, but now I and I’m assuming everyone else wants to know how to get a better success rate at appealing claims.
Does anyone here reading this have any advice or tips when appealing a-z claims when items are showing as being successfully delivered?
Also feel free to message me if you have any questions but I hope here we can keep this thread going and work between us sellers to work together inn tackling these a-z claims.
A-Z Claims - Lets help each other here / advise on tackling them
As we all know A-Z claims almost every single time go in favour of the customer, even with tracking information and proof of signature, which is very frustrating.
I sell on over 30 marketplaces all around the world and ship out thousands of items every single month and amazon marketplace is the only channel out of them all where I experience issues with claims.
On average I tend to get at least 1 claim per week on amazon, as for all my other marketplaces I may get 1 per year!
So there’s clearly a problem and unfortunately there are deceitful people out there who are abusing the system.
I actually found a forum yesterday when researching online that people are telling how to actually purchase items on amazon and get refunded and on top of that able to keep the item (you can find this very easily when googling).
I wanted to create this topic so us sellers can help each other share advice and what they may have done to win a-z cases, so we can at least try to cut down on these false claims.
I understand not all claims are false but from my experience when investigating them, I believe the majority are, given I don’t get this issue at all with my other marketplaces.
One thing we have put in place has worked brilliantly and has a 98% success rate. This isn’t appealing an a-z claim but when a customer messages saying "my item hasn’t been delivered’ and when you track the item and it shows as being delivered, I have sent them the below message.
" Hi (XXXXXX)
I hope you are well and thank you for your message.
I think you may have clicked on the wrong order and seller - please check as this does tend to happen from time to time.
Please also read carefully:
Your order was delivered at: (XXXXXX)
(couriers name) have also provided a GPS location of where exactly your postman was when s/he scanned the barcode immediately before delivery as proof.
Please see details here: (tracking link)
If after checking you still decide to maintain not receiving this item, it will have to be escalated and I would need to report this accusation of theft to (couriers name) against your postman + start an investigation about your street and address statistics, both with (couriers name) and Amazon given this item is recorded as delivered with GPS coordinates.
Please let me know & I look forward to hearing from you.
Many Thanks
Almost every single time this works and you never hear anything again from the customer or in some cases, they come back saying " oh yes, my mistake I have got it"
As mentioned this has had a huge help on preventing claims and works pretty much every time.
The problem I’m having is when they raise a-z claims without even contacting you and even worse is we have a-z claims the day the item has been delivered or day after and the expected delivery date isn’t for another week, which clearly shows they have received their item and can’t wait to raise a claim.
I probably win 1 in 15 a-z claims. I have just had 2 this week, both shipped on time, delivered on time and with a signature which I have sent all this information through and both claims were upheld in favour of the customer.
I was advised to write the following in the appeal
" “To Amazon,
The order [enter order number] was shipped on [enter date] with tracking number [enter tracking number] by carrier [enter carrier name] and the estimated delivery date was [enter estimated delivery date confirmed to the customer]. The shipment can be tracked using this link:[enter link to online tracking showing delivery and signature confirmation from customer]. According to the order’s tracking information, the package was delivered to the correct address [enter address] on [enter date] and signed by [enter signee]. Please re-investigate the claim since the order was delivered on/before the estimated delivery date.
Best regards,”
I was also asked to email the proof of signature to the customers which on 1 case I did but the other customer amazon wouldn’t allow me as the customer opted out of receiving messages.
Both claims were rejected.
in fact 1 other claim this week was attempted to be delivered on multiple occasions, the customer wasn’t in, we messaged them daily advising them to collect their item from their local post office and they never replied, they raised an a-z claim and it went in there favour and went against our performance metrics. Crazy hey!
So I’ve come up with a solution to tackle customers messaging saying there items haven’t been delivered when tracking shows otherwise, but now I and I’m assuming everyone else wants to know how to get a better success rate at appealing claims.
Does anyone here reading this have any advice or tips when appealing a-z claims when items are showing as being successfully delivered?
Also feel free to message me if you have any questions but I hope here we can keep this thread going and work between us sellers to work together inn tackling these a-z claims.
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Think your message for customers is good. Rides the line between polite and accusatory quite well!
I don’t think there is any answer however on the A-Z claim side of things, especially if your delivery methods don’t have a signature. It’s as simple as that. It’s a woefully unfair practice on amazon to expect us to have signatures when they themselves do not, in the main get signatures for their deliveries.
Its high time amazon accepted photos and GPS.
I have won the occasional A - Z, but it often seems to be via luck.
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Great Idea - will be trying that one.
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This is a great thread, i have this issue with A to Z claims, but we use royal mail and DHL who do not use signatures but only photos and its so easy for customers to claim a refund, even though you can clearly see from maps its the correct address but Amazon seem to ignore that fact that its a contactless delivery now and only photos are mostly done.
I will be trying that letter at the top next time!
Thanks
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Hi.
I wrote on the forum yesterday about this very issue.
I have had 3 A-Z claims in the last 14 days all confirmed by courier as delivered as shown in the tracking also. Yet i have appealed all 3 and lost all 3 appeals.
It’s all very well saying we just need to accept this, but do we really?
Amazon for whatever reason seem to be condoning the buyers behaviour by allowing these scenarios to happen.
If as a seller you have proof of delivery along with a picture, how on earth can a buyers A-Z be granted?
And more importantly how can the appeal be turned down.
So it appears like most sellers Its “Sophie’s choice”, We keep selling on Amazon and mitigate for these losses, or we leave Amazon!
Seller_xUKHc5xSYJmI4
For a long time Ive not been asked by any courier for a signature. If you are using the buy shipping then surely I would have thought there would be something in the contractual terms which stipulate a signature is mandatory.
As you will notice in the Evri terms of conditions safe place means
“Delivered” means delivered to the Recipient at the Address or left with a Neighbour or left in a Safe Place.
“Safe Place” means a location which is not an exposed doorstep or otherwise in public view. Lots of parcels are being exposed on door fronts.
“Safe Place Photo” means a photo of the Safe Place where the Parcel has been left. According to the photograph is sufficient according to the terms.
Therefore no signature needs to be taken.
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The lack of an entry by the normal quick moderator tells us, all sellers the Amazon position on this issue. Amazon do not lose money on this scam, they are still happy to receive their fee on the sale from us sellers. Welcome to Amazonia
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Dito
Amazon system is against sellers
so i be closing my shop on amazon in july .
good luck everyone !
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We have had loads recently. Full tracking even with signatures… Customers not responding yet still lose somehow.
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Luckily I don’t get too many A to Z’s but had one last weekend, Royal Mail scanned delivered, GPS etc. and they claimed I’d ignored them when I’d replied within an hour…
Amazon denied my appeal, but they only upheld the refund and so it doesn’t show on my a/c health. I’m not quite sure how this works…? They believe both the buyer hasn’t received it and also the evidence I provided to prove it had been delivered?
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The A to Z system needs a complete overhaul.
For example, we have an order this week for £19.98, customer opens an A to Z claim as its one day late, instantly granted.
The items get delivered the next day, now they wont respond to any emails at all.
You cant appeal it as the bots say no. So now we are down £19.98.
Small amount maybe, but its theft non the less, as they are dishonestly retaining goods they know they have not paid for.
So what can you then do ? if you ask amazon you get told, you can ask the buyer to return it, but you cannot force them to return it.
You cant take action against them and report them for theft or do anything.
So time after time, your get fleeced. Its all fine and dandy people saying “build it into your prices” but why should every good customer pay more because of the bad actors and why should they get away with it ?
There should be a way to open a reverse A to Z in those instances